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This Is It
The Scottish Independence Convention
Bill Speirs
Trade Unionist, Internationalist, and Buddie, 1952-2009
1820 Rising - for a Free Scotland
"I have appeared as a pioneer in the van of freedom's battles"
15 comments:
Dare I ask what's a hun? Auch aye, I will. I'm too old to feel embarrassed at my own ignorance.
They unfortunately have just win the league
Rosa
The word “Hun” is a parochial reference used in Scotland to disparage the religious persuasion of a person who does not adhere to the catechism of the Church of Rome.
Big Dollop,
I must disagree with you. The word Hun is not remotely religious in it connetation, but refers to Rangers supporter, and the lumpen end of them in particular
It originates from WW1 when the Germans - the enemy then - were the Huns.
I write as a prod ( as if it matters) - but one who would never be seen dead in a Rangers top. And whilst the term Huns is mostly used by Celtic fans , it is also used by the fans of other clubs to describe Rangers supprters, common even amongtst English teams in araes where RCs are pretty thin on the ground
But they can still spot a Hun - usualy somneone with a Union Jack and 1690 tatooed on his forehead - on his way to a BNP rally
AWC
You are quite correct sir - I should have added the fact that it also referred to a follower of Rangers football club.
It is interesting though that you state the word Hun is not remotely religious in its connotation – yet you also state it is a word used by supporters of English clubs where RC’s are thin on the ground.
As for disagreeing with my assessment about it being a religious “term of endearment” that sir - is your prerogative, it is after all – Your blog
For the record - your own religious persusuaision is your own business it matters not a jot to me.
Great blog btw.
Quit your moaning AWC, you're starting to sound like a Tim.
"The word Hun is not remotely religious in it connetation, but refers to Rangers supporter, and the lumpen end of them in particular"
Except in the sense people have been beaten to death by mobs shouting "dirty hun" and "Orange bastard".
Your argument is akin to arguing "fenian" only refers to Irishmen of a militant persuasian.
Richard, i think the beating to death by mobs is a pretty rare occurrence these days. But when it does occur it's near exclsively the Unionist end of the divide that does it - always has been
Hun in a Scottish football context is to me no worse than say the term "Kopite" used by everton supporters to describe liverpool ones. Its a derrogatrory term , but we are talking football, pretty ,mild i think. And I've explained it origins, not remotely religious,indeed many of the riginal Huns (Germans) are catholics. Indeed, it's the non sectarian alktenative to "organge bastard"!
"Richard, i think the beating to death by mobs is a pretty rare occurrence these days. But when it does occur it's near exclsively the Unionist end of the divide that does it - always has been"
Really as supporters of Bobby Sands stoned Protestants to death whilst hurling abuse about them being "dirty huns".
Of course a widely recognised feature of bigotry is claim only "themmums" get up to that kind of thing.
Fenian of course didn't have a religious origin either.
hey richard, go look at the cartoonbagain - it was a joke, a non sectarian one...come on. you must get it.
And its from a cartoon series called "the Timsons"..we can laugh at ourselves
Huns and Tims...to me almost affectionate terms of abuse...... beyond sectarianism
Fenian is a term i dont at all mind - cause i do know the orgigins...but fenian bastard, ans we all know what that is about.
and of course there were horrofic atrocities perputated by republicans- kids killed in steet bombs, young women slaughtered in pubs on a night out. Unforgivable. But the mob beatings are by and large a unionist speciality...look at only last month in Colraine.
"Unforgivable. But the mob beatings are by and large a unionist speciality...look at only last month in Colraine."
You make that assertion on what basis? Can you provide a break down of mob beatings and their perpetrators or do you just know that's only something "themmums" would do?
The fact a man wearing a Rangers top was nearly kicked to death hours after the McDaid murder would seem to blow a little hole in your theory. But sure he was probably on his way to a BNP meeting, eh?
Richard
I aint been counting just obeserving over thye decades, seen it with my own eyes
Catholics just dont go into prod areas looking for trouble. In so far as tehy riot its usually against authority, like RUC police - folk thast can at least protect themselves, fight back hurt them
I do know the mindset of the lumpen hun - pick on weak folk, folk that can't fight back, feel good about it... then sing "we are the people!
There are nutters, thugs on all sides but i've no doubt where the balance lies. And am sure statistcs would prove me right, 101% sure
"I aint been counting just obeserving over thye decades, seen it with my own eyes"
In other words your observations aren't based on fact but your prejudices.
"Catholics just dont go into prod areas looking for trouble. In so far as tehy riot its usually against authority, like RUC police - folk thast can at least protect themselves, fight back hurt them"
Nationalist death squads frequently went into Protestant areas looking for any hun that would do.
"I do know the mindset of the lumpen hun - pick on weak folk, folk that can't fight back, feel good about it... then sing "we are the people!"
Was Joanne Matthews a strong person, must have taken some balls to shoot her in the head as she wielded census forms.
Stoning Desmond and Eric Guiney to death was a particularly heroic act of resistence. Ensured they wouldn't deliver any milk to the enemies of Ireland.
I'm forever in awe of those who beat John Hall to death then mutilated his body with knives. The much praised "communitys" support for the hunger strikers.
"And am sure statistcs would prove me right, 101% sure"
Most bigots are 101% right that only themmums get up to acts of savagery. Kind of explains the atrocities that have to be carried out against them. "The only language they understand" etc...
Richard, you aint listening. Ive never claimed there aint been republican outrages, indeed the opposite. Read my posts above.
And i do have evidence - 30 years of follwing events closely - I've just not added them all up.
And i know the hard line Unionist ideology, grew up with it , albeit in Scotland not NI, but seen it real closer up - triumphalist, seeks trouble, has a superiority complex summed up by "we are the people"
Republicanism has an ideology too, to fight the British state, and its apparatus, drive it out of Ireland. That has led to some dreadful outcomes, far too many. Cause "armed struggle" in a modern context just dont work. But you're wrong in thinking republicans just go into Unionist areas looking randdomly for prods to beat up or worse.
Hard line unionists though do - cause in their eyes they are all "fenian bastards", inferior. Serioulsy its like the KKK and lynch mobs ( white catholics and white prods united) in Southern US states in the 60s - any black will do
Cause the aim is to terrorise the whole community - make the point that no black/Tim is safe, keep them in their place. Wheras the republican aim is/was to show no arm of he Britsih state is safe - they would target it, or try to.
There is/was a difference , even if the oucomes can be as brutal. And innocent folks suffer.
But hard line unionists want innocent people to suffer - the precise purpose of going into catholoc areas and randomly beating "tims"
I aint making this up, I read loads, Read loads by reformed loyalists and republicans
And I aint no provo apologist - what they did was not only morally indefensible but politically inept, did the cause no good
Im still though trying work out what the Unionist cause is in these secural times, and with Britian as an idea in near terminal decline what is its point any longer. Undestood it in 1690 - indeed id be with it then, Undertood it in 1914. But now? Irrelevant baggage. Really just a means of extracting a state subsidy from the mainland in the name of a cause no one on the mainland could give a toss about.
Its just a matter of time now. The day your Union gives you away, Or -maybe because of what happens in Scotland - just disapears from under you
Adams. McGuiness and co, miles ahead of your lot in terms of long term thinking
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